I am choosing between this and the Forerunner 245. But then we’ve got elements like size. It’ll show up as a multisport activity that you can view in separate chunks. Wanna create comparison chart graphs just like I do for GPS, heart rate, power meters and more? So I’d recommend locking your lap button when you start the swim, and upon exiting the water. Yet oddly unlike Garmin wearables that are $100 (the Vivofit3), the FR735XT doesn’t have Move IQ, which automatically recognizes and tracks sport activities such as a bike commute or a walk about town. Wait. Lastly, when in cycling mode you’ve got automatic FTP (Functional Threshold Power) detection when used with a power meter. Plus, you'll be more awesome. A non qualified guess is that this is the same problem that used to exist between Garmin and Runkeeper, but I might be wrong. Fear not, new babies are born in 9 months, so just give a bit more time and there will be a new clip soon enough I’m sure. In my experience, swimmers are much more likely to actually lift than runners. And yes, Swim2 does show it, you can set “last length pace”. But more than that – it’s actually got new swim-specific features not seen on any other Garmin device to date. Maybe I’m misunderstanding what you’re referring to – but this metric is literally everywhere. Start a timed activity for the most accurate calculation of intensity minutes. Also, from images alone, 245 seems to have a slightly larger screen/surface area whereas the Swim 2 just wastes so much space (and appears less sharp). The manual (link to www8.garmin.com) states: From the watch face, select START. Thanks so much!! Forerunner 735XT lets you change things up with ease thanks to built-in activity profiles for running (indoor/outdoor), cycling (indoor/outdoor), swimming (pool/open water), cross-country skiing, paddle sports, trail running, hiking and strength training. The FR735XT divides up swimming into the two aforementioned categories. But you can see as I started off on the first crossing of the channel, it wasn’t spot-on: It’s hard to see in teal, but it basically cuts across in the wrong spot, and then does a weird loop-de-loop on the other side. Surely a multi-sport watch becomes the instantly better choice even if missing one or two features. Going for a Pool Swim. During the change watch was at GPS mode for better lock. Many swimmers claim it is actually the swimming watch (indoor or outdoor). The second being the case where coming out of an indoor trainer session. I tried bike and run workouts and they synced almost immediately. It costs $100 more. The FR735XT includes Garmin’s Elevate optical HR sensor built into the bottom of it, which I used both in workouts as well as in 24×7 continual HR monitoring mode. You can find all the necessary info in the users guide section. Fenix 5X Plus used to provide correct temperature for swim in Strava but not anymore. Music Activity Tracking Running Cycling Golf Tacx Indoor Cycling Multisports Swimming Diving Outdoor Watches Handhelds Discontinued. I’ve already discussed the pacing bit above, so no need to re-hash that. It has lighting to match an underground rave. No Garmin pay ? Probably Ray would know this too though, not sure who’s quicker to reply. Even with the newest firmware version 2.30. You can use another website to show lap times from the Garmin Swim 2 – http://www.swimmingwatchtools.com … all you need to do is to export the session from the Garmin Connect website (your phone uploads it automatically) and import it in this website, which shows you lap times. Its still a mystery for me, why can the watch keep the GPS signal easily on my right wrist but not on the left one, when my freestyle stroke is close to symmetrical. Do you think the excellent accuracy you reported in the review depends on you swimming a stroke where hour as.s comes up and out of the water regularly, every second or two? Beside of that, no issues so far with 2.40. I think Garmin’s challenge in something like the Swim is figuring out which of these medium-end type features to include. Auto-Rest uses the accelerometer and gyro in order to detect movement. However turning on 1 sec recording improved accuracy for the vivoactive along with attaching it to my goggles. (Note: All of the charts in these accuracy sections were created using the DCR Analyzer tool. Usually, after swimming in the pool, I go to the sauna and stay there until the pulse reaches a certain value. Overall as a running watch I’ve had no issues with it. – Do your thing similarly with the chest strap HR (you know best here, I don’t have one of those). – make a factory reset, and do NOT set anything afterwards, esp. on breaststroke the hands almost never go outside the water so it can´t get any signal. Does the Garmin swim 2 recognize the 4 different Kinds of swimming in a Pool ? I thought about this a bit. Also with a wrong track the pace chart shows long distances in constant pace, a proper track is very wavy. That’s a decent explanation. Thanks for your bike test results. The reason it needs a pool distance is because it’s effectively just detecting your flip/open turns each length and then doing simple math to give you distance/pace/etc…. So if you’re a triathlete that might be above the threshold, could you bridge the gap with a HR strap (or just by disabling the optical HR sensor)? The word/option “Resume” shows after pressing the upper right button. my weekly podcast - with GPLAMA, which is packed with both gadget and non-gadget goodness! The term ‘lap’ in swimming is supposed to mean just a single length…ignoring the fact that every other sport entity means to return to the place of start. I suppose you mean backstroke. All swimming watches do more or less the same thing, and the Garmin Swim 2 is one of the best out there. Custom allows you to set from 14m to 150m, or 15y to 150y. At this time you can find a forerunner 245 at this price and it’s a awesone mid-range running watch, with also swim and bike capabilities. “Note that other brand straps won’t work here, because they haven’t implemented the correct ANT+ protocols to support the cached downloading bits (meaning, no, you can’t use a Polar/Suunto/anyone else strap/sensor).”. Claimed weight is 40.2 g. B-Stock - This product has one or more B-Stock units available. TIA. Garmin Swim2 does NOT receive any external sensor beside of external HR monitors. Very logical imho. Going for a Pool Swim; Swimming in Open Water; Swim Terminology; Indoor Activities; Workouts. – Strength I suspect the main reason the Fenix 5 and other watches previous is that it’s a different optical sensor. Any word on availability and pricing for the Canadian market? So in many ways the functionality is pretty similar. That I have never seen with freestyle swim oddly enough. Some people it might be spot on, while others a disaster. In that case I’ll display the data from the FR735XT onto the Varia Vision display. Unlike running or cycling, there’s very little interaction you’re going to have with the watch once you’ve started swimming. We saw those types of failures back in the 2018-early 2019 timeframe with the older GPS chipsets, but honestly I don’t think we’ve seen those types of failures since mid-late last year on any Garmin devices. Also, it’s what I used in my triathlon races. So let’s go back to openwater from last week. Considering the clunky interface, graphics stolen from a Nokia 3210 and the relatively high price, I would not buy this again. Select a swim activity. The Suunto Ambit3 Peak on the other wrist was at 1,630m. Garmin Connect Mobile doesn’t show this bug. Most of the time. All of these features were lifted from the Vantage from what I can tell, which had auto laps for pool from launch and oHR while swimming for a long time. There isn’t however any way to edit anything, so in the event something is wrong (or crazy lady interrupted your swim), then it is what it is. And naturally, the sea I swim is – surprise – flat? It only takes a few seconds in most cases, since the satellites are pre-cached on your unit each time you sync with the interwebs. Users can consolidate training data, track progress, and reshape goals throughout the season with this useful book. there is option to edit and upload activity back to connect using. Interestingly, GC mobile app, and Strava are not affected at all, so I guess this is an issue with GC desktop. All swims were around 1600 yards in the ocean off Kaimana beach in Honolulu, 90% free style and 10% butterfly. Today I did a OWS wit v2.33. Actually, the Swim 2 does show lap info, though not lap times per-se. It surprised me as last time between the release of beta and new official version there was nearly a month, but now they released the official version just after one week! – Adds in Shimano Di2 electronic gear shifting Ah, yes, and I actually had a question… My connect app after each open water swim shows an elevation graph, and it went several times from around 4 meter minimum to around 34 meter maximum up and down all over the place. So let’s get rid of that for a second as it’s not even close. I don’t know how you could ever derive accurate pace information, given the broad disparity in stroke efficiency. Click for more details. As I understand this watch has a lower tier lens material, but since I will be using the watch in chlorine or salty water 4-6 days a week, my concern is that screen protectors will be peeling off all the time…. If we move away from steps, but still on the daily activity front is the 24×7 HR monitoring. Unscientifically, the first two appeared to fail after more vigorous sets in the pool (i.e., butterfly). I couldn’t understand why my pace was so slow till I realised the watch had once again randomly reverted from km to miles. The last chance is that at home I put the watch outside for a long GPS soak, started activity, watch stationery, for nearly one hour. Yup, just about to add in the unboxing section here in a moment, so will add in the comparison shots too. The Garmin swim watch 2 does NOT count laps (unlike swim watch 1 or any other swim watch I have encountered). Things are actually pretty normal across the entire run, though I did want to briefly call out this section here towards the beginning. I also deleted all of the user data at Garmin Support's request. This Book makes the perfect gift for anyone who loves cooking for any gift-giving occasion Record 95 of your favorite recipes with index And for heart rate accuracy, it’s definitely well into the ‘plausible’ camp, if not the most accurate wrist-based optical HR sensor for swimming (again, perhaps not the pinnacle of fancy titles, but hey, it fits). Hopefully for your sake, I succeed. Using Garmin Connect Training Plans; Interval Workouts. Can it be, that you use “Auto rest” function? I am therefore thinking about not keeping the SWIM2, selling my F5 and buying the 945 as an alternative. No timeframe yet. I think it would have sold extremely well at $199, maybe even $219 – but $249 might be tougher for the average swimmer. Hovering the mouse over any of them shows info about that lap. So I bought the watch (jippie!). Normally I just stop when restarting it, even if it’s just for a second or two. So pressing the button during your swim workout will be OK. Just swim. I also found that putting the watch on my other wrist makes stroke style detection much better. orange = Swim2 It does not work Thank you for the replies. Think of it like a second screen, sorta like if you mirror your iPhone onto an Apple TV. Then hit up Wiggle at the link below! If I swim 1000m – to break pace and timing by 100m not by pool length?? Unfortunately, no solution there I’m aware of. 2. sweat resistance. I see the Swim 2 on the US Garmin page at the $250US, but the Canadian site just lists the product page (no price, no option to purchase – but at least it’s there). The length count often stops and can be halted for several lengths, but then it will resume with the correct length! Will do the adjustments I learned from this review. I’d say the Garmin Swim 2 is the most stable out of all of them (it was a non-stop swim at relatively even pace), but that doesn’t make it correct. Now that we’ve got our threesome out of the way, let’s get back to solo sports, starting with running. Bike rides, runs, bricks. Heart Rate While Swimming. As I said before, I’ve previously found the Apple Watch 3/4/5 openwater swim tracks to be industry leading. @gabor can you share the steps required to do what you mentioned? I did read your comment before posting…and wanted to express concerns over a design failure. Regards. I’ve had to create duplicate workouts for 25 yard & 50 meter pools and hope these updates fix that. In Convict Conditioning Paul Wade has laid out a logical and effective "zero to hero" progression in key bodyweight strength exercises and presented a solid training philosophy. Get this book. That’s why I prefer Suunto for pool swim laps. ‘virtual laps’ – that would be the right terminology! – When i set an alarm for a length – i.e 500 meter the the fenix gave the alarm on the middle of the last length advising that the next wall is the target. Why does everybody make the CSS calculation so complicated? For example, this aqua/teal one that The Girl really likes: Rumor is she wants one because it’s pretty. Obviously if underwater no luck, but otherwise all good! I’ve sorted it all by world geography, in an attempt to make it easy to figure out where I’ve been. Open water swims. That’s it. This does not look very promising. Last year the Fenix 5 gave me decent tracs, also. I really like that it doesnt loose any single second there. Review: Garmin Forerunner 735XT or check its price here. If it’s a pool under the maximum length, you’ll use the pool mode. And of course – you can always sign-up to be a DCR Supporter! I am wondering how can it be that this review shows excellent OW capabilities, the comments confirm that, but I have way overinflated numbers with massive GPS drift. Depending on your terminology (lap versus length versus interval), but either way: (All under the ‘Strokes’ subheading): – Interval Pace After which, you’ll get a summary of your swim on the watch itself: And then up on Garmin Connect you’ll see the swim details as well: And of course, if you’re on Garmin Connect Mobile (the smartphone app), you’ll see that there too. In discussing this feature with Garmin, they noted that it’s not going to be for everyone. However, if you hold the UP button, a menu will appear, go down to SYSTEM and press START/STOP, go down to UNITS and press START/STOP, go down to SWIM TOTALS and press START/STOP and choose between YARDS or METERS. Heads up! They are most useful for every day life: calendar, loyalty cards,… Breast Stroke is 100% since hand is submerged. Apparently not, though Garmin could change this with a firmware update. See here a comparison between Polar and Garmin. All the swim workouts on cards at my pool are mixed strokes so not really what I’m looking for. Unlike some heads up display units I’ve tried, this doesn’t block your peripheral vision since it sits above your eye. I purchased a swim2 for open water swimming. I haven’t seen this occur any other time, though one reader has seen it happen once as well. I’d point out that using Varia Vision while riding is approximately one million times better than while running with Varia Vision and the FR735XT. At the end of the day, I’m an athlete just like you looking for the most detail possible on a new purchase – so my review is written from the standpoint of how I used the device. At this point you can either start the running session (or have it find satellites and HR), or you can dive into settings. Some are technical bugs (i.e., broken things), while others are what the software industry calls ‘by design’, which means I’m going to try and change someone’s mind. (Disable the 3 second countdown.). Here’s the table of all my activities on the FR735XT. As you probably noticed by looking below, I also take time to answer all the questions posted in the comments – and there’s quite a bit of detail in there as well. Once that’s done, you’re ready to jump in the pool. Position and how the band is worn are *the most important* pieces. A unit with an optical HR sensor should be snug. It may still increase distance for a few seconds but then subtract it retroactively. Given the unit pairs with ANT+ & Bluetooth Smart sensors, you can use just about anything though. I’m headed to Washington DC – what do you recommend for training? Simples. There’s a few quick access sizes: 25 meters, 25 yards, 50 meters, 33 1/3 meters, 33 1/3 yards, and then Custom. It’s pretty darn flat, just keep on eye on the scale. Auto rest is on FORM googles and works super cool! Take for example this run from May 14th. Thanks. I have several Garmin models and this is unfortunately the way Garmin works for OWS… I doubt there is a workaround but perhaps someone who reads this knows more. Have you seen this also? As well as other watches and bike computers. It makes finding the satellites much easier, and the GPS lock much faster. After that point though the units track very well for the vast majority of the run. Ok. Must be day dreaming… I am former breaststroke swimmer and even in open water, at least 60% of the distance is breaststroke for me. I have to say Kudos to Swim Smooth as some of the features of the new Garmin Swim 2 GPS watch include what they have been doing for years, in particular CSS, which is an invaluable feature to help get you swimming faster!! Looking at the tracks, I think the swim2 was more accurate. And it seems to have been off in the beginning of the swim, with a few mis-readings that resulted in zig-zagging for those extra yards. Im struggling with the controls for Open Water Swim. You probably stumbled upon here looking for a review of a sports gadget. Whereas on the web (screenshot in previous comment) you can see the 100m pace per length. link to phlexswim.com. The HR’s from the Swim 2 seem to be about right with my efforts, but with some variability between all the data sources, I can’t really get any agreement on which one is actually correct. Your comment “The default watch face includes the total swam distance that week (in kilometers, no matter your settings)” puzzled me because I got mine and it was showing yards and above 1760 it would start showing miles and I also thought you cannot change it. If you break yourself, it’s also your fault. difference). If I’m alone then I might take the time to fiddle, but when I swim at the club with others I hardly have time to catch my breath between intervals …, Thanks John, you’ve been really helpful! Comments (881) It's been almost exactly a month since Garmin announced their latest triathlon watch, the Forerunner 735XT. I just purchased the Garmin Swim 2 recently and did the CSS test. While it’s the same physical hardware, one can see the impact that firmware updates make. • Select Countdown Start to begin the swim activity with a three-second countdown (Setting a Countdown Start). My annoying workaround is to print the converted to miles total distance on my workout sheets when my swim is over 3 miles so I can check it in real time. You can help support the site here by checking out the links at the end of the post. You can choose from a boatload of data fields, anywhere from 1 to 4 fields per custom page. • Select Data Screens to customize the data screens and data fields (Customizing the Data Fields). And can it be Displayd in a Graph? Garmin has all I want from a swimming point of view except lap times. But unfortunately, the replacement exhibits the same problem. I would be very interested in a comparison between the Swim2 heart rate and the heart strap (which one is it exactly? CPE file contains data about the satellite positions. Offers VO2 max estimate, lactate threshold³, race predictor and . Forerunner 735XT lets you change things up with ease thanks to built-in activity profiles for running (indoor/outdoor), cycling (indoor/outdoor), swimming (pool/open water), cross-country skiing, paddle sports, trail running, hiking and strength training. As far as standard definitions go, I’m afraid that lap = length: link to swimcompetitive.com … you are still free to disagree though, this is the internet, after all. He trains in pool and does not do open water swimming. My current 935 also lost its barometer. HIW MUCH TIME is needed to register push off? Are you willing to review or test beta products? Drills have also no calories count. Garmin, . But if you’re doing sprints and and lots of short changes of intensity, then it’s not great. When a notification comes in, you can either cancel/clear it immediately, or you can open it up to get more information: There’s no method however to reply to a text message (at least on iOS, due to Apple restrictions), so it’s more of a confirmation thing than anything else. Select Options. I travel a fair bit, both for work and for fun. Or, if you were more nefarious, a three-second head start. How do I install a beta version? Has anyone else been bothered by this? The settings that are available and the information displayed varies a lot. I ordered a new Apple Watch S6 yesterday, which seems to be a way better swim watch than the Swim 2, in addition to the many other things it does. Very helpful. c) would show 11.6 or something different, 910Xt had the option of showing 47 in pool setting. No point wearing anything on the body at that stage, just cram stuff inside the skull and make the brain see and measure anything you (or others) want, far more lovely. Would love to hear your thoughts on this. – Adds in FTP determination while cycling (on Edge series, but not FR920XT) But looking for information for I’m not clear about some things. Though I’ve also been absurdly lucky in my pool swims lately to only share the line with 0 or 1 other persons, which is a significant drop from the dozen+ people I’d often get in other lanes/pools. It’s mostly accurate, but not always perfectly accurate. Really want somewhere to see the exact battery percentage but can’t see anywhere that is??? If you push the lap/back button then it will display the accurate lap count. Doing so makes you awesome. I see this question was already answered above. Ok, so in my testing I simply use the watch throughout my normal workouts. You might remember how I pointed out that I could be sitting with a HR showing below the RHR value, which should be an impossibility. A perfect example is auto-lap settings. it looks like everybody is very excited with the auto pause. I get that nobody needs HR to swim well, just like nobody needs a power meter to cycle well, but that for many people access to data helps with improving performance. Chest straps are a pretty well understood thing, and Garmin’s chest strap has been around years. Good – baro altimeter. They both use the same exact optical HR sensor setup. Right now, it’s variable for every product and it’s confusing as shiitake. It’s just the distance computation. Anyway…moving along. So just something to be aware of when looking at tracks to see whether that’s present or not. Alternatively, you could enable ANT+ HR broadcasting of your heart rate to a dedicated bike computer already mounted to your bike in a more visible location. Garmin. If you connect the Varia Radar, it’ll show and chirp/buzz when a car is approaching from behind. Vivosmart HR, Fenix3 HR, FR235, Vivoactive HR, etc…). The FR735XT allows you to configure four data pages, each with up to four pieces of information on them. It’s done some horrible things to the distance on some firmware versions, but that’s all settled now, finally. If yes, is it possible to import the corrected file anywhere? While the price is just as expensive as Garmin’s other (more capable) GPS multisport watches, you’re effectively trading size for features. There’s also the metronome, which will buzz and beep at various cadence ranges that you configure. That means that one day I could be in the woods, another day in the city, and another day in the countryside. So what do I miss out on by using a mainstream smart watch for swimming? For one, I could use the swim2 for swim training and spare the 920 barometer. For the purposes of this conversation, we’re just focused on the optical HR sensor accuracy. In the water started activity, waited a bit, started swim. Of course like the FR630 there are some features that’ll still require a HR strap (such as the Lactate Threshold functionality), so do keep that in mind. Night and day runs, rain and sun runs. Finally I managed to get nearly perfect OW track from Swim2 Still, 245 leaves the impression of being the more rounded, higher quality object. Rest Fields: Rest Timer, Repeat On I included total length, it displayed mostly the interval length, sometimes total length, intervals are not always added to the total, etc. You seem to define some arbitrary distance as “lap” and then would like the watch to time those. That’s honestly the biggest annoyance with my 935 and the reason I probably won’t bother getting the Swim2, even though swimming is my primary sport. . I’m headed to Paris – what do you recommend for training or sightseeing? While the 735 is an older model that lacks the new body battery metrics, optical heart rate for swimming and the more complex swim workouts for people who do other sports the 735 might offer better value especially compared to the 945 which is significantly more expensive. I’m going to rejig a couple to do rests instead of slow lengths, but haven’t got around to doing the maths yet. Note I’m mentioning the exact date of each file so you can dig into them in the charts later on. Even if you are stationary, the new trackpoint might be in a bit different position. Here’s a June 6th ride. However, I’m fairly sure he meant (as I am missing, the lap times that you get for most other activities, see picture. As for my actual experience with it – it’s consistently within 2-3 seconds for me. As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. Which GPS settings is the most accurate for open water swim? I realize this isn’t a normal pace for most triathletes, but it’s pretty annoying to do sprint 100’s or 50’s and see the distance off (usually first 25 I think). Also, if the lap button gets pressed, then it doesn’t iterate to the next sport. First, here’s a look a the depth comparisons between the three triathlon watches: Interesting, I discovered that the FR735XT is virtually identical to that of an Oreo both in depth as well as diameter. Hopefully you found this review useful. It’s been an issue with recent Garmin watches until this summer when they put a bunch of resources into solving it.
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